tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post5330996999021866778..comments2024-03-19T23:55:28.500-07:00Comments on Some thoughts on your (and my) thoughts.: [What If] An ad-supported MySqlDhruv Matanihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09979424322533140869noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-55139916877235584992020-11-25T00:22:41.198-08:002020-11-25T00:22:41.198-08:00Heya i am for the first time here. I found this bo...Heya i am for the first time here. I found this board and I find It really useful & it helped me out a lot. I hope to give something back and aid others like you helped me.herbal erection pillshttps://besterectiledysfunctionpills.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-59900391908056687432012-07-04T21:26:52.620-07:002012-07-04T21:26:52.620-07:00Well written :-)
But in all of the possible parall...Well written :-)<br />But in all of the possible parallel universes and timelines, it won't go this far..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-11970370818804992862012-07-03T14:34:24.744-07:002012-07-03T14:34:24.744-07:00@Aniruddha
> It's easy to say you will pay...@Aniruddha<br /><br />> It's easy to say you will pay money for X, but <br />> would you pay money for every service that you use?<br /><br />An answer of "no" to the question above means nothing in the context of this discussion. Just because I won't pay for every service that I use today doesn't mean I don't see myself doing it in the future. It would be quite stupid of me to pay for something that is available for free. OTOH, if someone is able to create a differential and add value and charge for it and it is adding value to my life/experience and there is no other free alternative, then I would pay for it. It's hard for startups - I agree - which is why there is a concept of funding.<br /><br />> A lot of these services are what they are, <br />> essentially because they were free.<br /><br />Possibly - you can't take anything away from the quality of their service just because they are free. Curiously though, email, domains, hosting are probably the only things I would pay for today. I don't pay for email since there are superb free alternatives available today. Not so the case with the other 2.<br /><br />>You can't compare the IE case with google. The problem <br />> was not the bundling, but Micro$oft's incentives to <br />> OEMs for shipping IE instead of something else.<br /><br />True, my bad - there was more to the story in M$' case.Dhruv Matanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09979424322533140869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-7572762440779078522012-07-03T13:55:33.339-07:002012-07-03T13:55:33.339-07:00I agree that services need to make money. I am jus...I agree that services need to make money. I am just saying that have well defined ways for that rather than the sneaky approaches.<br /><br />With IE and google, they are doing the same "evil", its just that MS was better at it.nomindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05944558682639627552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-32983574344812914882012-07-03T13:38:10.887-07:002012-07-03T13:38:10.887-07:00It's mostly the "free" services that...It's mostly the "free" services that rely on ads. A service has to make money. Look at what happened to those that weren't making money. They get acquired or acq-hired or just shut down (Loopt, Posterous, Gowalla, Instagram to name a few). It's easy to say you will pay money for X, but would you pay money for every service that you use? A lot of these services are what they are, essentially because they were free. <br /><br />You can't compare the IE case with google. The problem was not the bundling, but Micro$oft's incentives to OEMs for shipping IE instead of something else.Aniruddhahttp://i0exception.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-87646168507481786422012-07-03T12:33:37.764-07:002012-07-03T12:33:37.764-07:00dude come on :)
I can actually see your smiling f...dude come on :)<br /><br />I can actually see your smiling face beside every duckduckgo link that you copy paste in your email replies :)nomindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05944558682639627552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-44409435648929844072012-07-03T12:14:43.653-07:002012-07-03T12:14:43.653-07:00Looks like you are talking about DuckDuckGo, where...Looks like you are talking about DuckDuckGo, where are people are all good looking and the ads are completely optional (this is true!). Check https://duckduckgo.com/settings.html and see the "Layout" tab.Dhruv Matanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09979424322533140869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-30959330163905465162012-07-03T11:46:06.054-07:002012-07-03T11:46:06.054-07:00Today, we pay mostly indirectly through ads.
I am...Today, we pay mostly indirectly through ads.<br /><br />I am happy to pay for useful services like gmail as long as they remove all the ads and do not peek in my mails. I am also in favour of having basic version free but you pay for extra versions. I am okay with ads too as long as they ask for permission of the user.nomindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05944558682639627552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-12826218398620304892012-07-03T11:15:29.077-07:002012-07-03T11:15:29.077-07:00Yes, wrt google - we can draw an analogy, but you ...Yes, wrt google - we can draw an analogy, but you can also argue that "that's business!".<br /><br />Q0. What do you pay for today on the internet?<br /><br />Q1. What would you pay for on the internet today?<br /><br />Q2. Given your understanding of where the internet will be in a few years, what would you pay for on the internet?Dhruv Matanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09979424322533140869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-76250441832184737372012-07-03T10:49:10.927-07:002012-07-03T10:49:10.927-07:00And it is the same with all other so called "...And it is the same with all other so called "free" services be it google, gmail, twitter. It is no less criminal for google chrome to make google as its default search engine that it was for microsoft to make IE default browser of Windows.nomindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05944558682639627552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-58606919619392527542012-07-03T10:46:02.660-07:002012-07-03T10:46:02.660-07:00I am okay with sponsored ads for a free service bu...I am okay with sponsored ads for a free service but its done in a hideous way. Facebook started with no ads and when it became big it adopted them knowing since people won't be irritated enough to move away. Remember they did not ask the user if they want to see ads or not. It is plain blackmail I feel. It's like I go to a movie knowing that tickets are X and after halftime collect another X/1000000 more knowing that I will not leave the movie in between.nomindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05944558682639627552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-44860467499266191962012-07-03T10:34:01.232-07:002012-07-03T10:34:01.232-07:00How different is a "sponsored email" fro...How different is a "sponsored email" from a "sponsored tweet"? Gmail might consider coloring it differently.Dhruv Matanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09979424322533140869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-9737003019820731592012-07-03T10:30:20.610-07:002012-07-03T10:30:20.610-07:00No, I'm not okay with sponsored rows. That'...No, I'm not okay with sponsored rows. That's like asking if it's okay for something like gmail to insert sponsored mails in your inbox every now and then. I'm okay with ads if they're non-intrusive.Aniruddhahttp://i0exception.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-65069801118952231802012-07-03T09:28:40.609-07:002012-07-03T09:28:40.609-07:00So, you are okay with getting sponsored rows in yo...So, you are okay with getting sponsored rows in your mysql output if you are using a hosted service?<br /><br />Winzip & Winamp used to install spyware and other AOL related apps and browser toolbars and reset your home page, etc... Ads is just a small part of what they did! I don't know what their state is now, but it's wrong to argue that they didn't (or don't) show ads by saying that they have been replaced by other products. We are discussing what they did rather than whether what they did was right or sustainable or frustrating for their end-users.Dhruv Matanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09979424322533140869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-6706078331435220712012-07-03T09:21:39.620-07:002012-07-03T09:21:39.620-07:00Yes, if you are providing free hosting, it's o...Yes, if you are providing free hosting, it's okay to show ads. Again, the kind of advertisements you propose would just irritate users and drive them away. I hope you remember that brainstorming session we had at Directi trying to find all possible places where we could place ads on the chat client :)<br /><br />Winamp, Winzip, Opera don't have ads anymore AFAIK, or they've been rendered moot by a better ad-free application.Aniruddhahttp://i0exception.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-19477579403051788672012-07-03T07:32:45.920-07:002012-07-03T07:32:45.920-07:00@Aniruddha: So are you fine with an ad-supported h...@Aniruddha: So are you fine with an ad-supported hosted-mysql - something like what Amazon, Azure, etc... are offering? That is technically a service.<br /><br />Btw, there are a few ad-supported desktop ads. Not sure of the recency, but Winamp, Winzip, and Opera (iirc, they got rid of ads a while ago) immediately come to mind.Dhruv Matanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09979424322533140869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-28195816082071750092012-07-03T01:27:04.095-07:002012-07-03T01:27:04.095-07:00The kind of ad supported model you describe is jus...The kind of ad supported model you describe is just not feasible :P You can't really put ads anywhere you like. That said, the "free" in FSF is the famous "free as in beer". How many advertisement based stand alone desktop applications do you see these days anyway? Software should be free, not services. Ads are a good way for free services to keep running.Aniruddhahttp://i0exception.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-31465244904970397622012-07-02T21:02:31.239-07:002012-07-02T21:02:31.239-07:00I'm sure there would be "wrappers" t...I'm sure there would be "wrappers" to filter out the sponsored rows!!Dhruv Matanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09979424322533140869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5113647.post-83594059261645033332012-07-02T21:00:31.335-07:002012-07-02T21:00:31.335-07:00Would have been a nightmare. But I guess, it would...Would have been a nightmare. But I guess, it wouldn't have become that popular in the first place, because who would like to work on something this hideous, unless you are paid for it? :PGaurav Menghanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17137610065780234442noreply@blogger.com